I think the reasoning here by is not so great. nytimes.com/2024/08/27/opinion

First, to be clear, he and nearly everybody else are absolutely right that 10%-20% across-the-board tariffs would raise US consumer prices. Trump and his sycophants are ridiculous to deny that.

But Krugman treats the capital account surplus, the “the [net] amount of foreign capital flowing into the United States” as exogenous, as though it would be unaffected. That's wrong. 1/

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More fundamentally, tariffs would tend to raise the foreign exchange value of the dollar, making our exporters less competitive.

Why would this happen? The balance of payments always balances
— the total inflow of money into America must equal the total outflow. In particular (leaving aside some technical issues involving investment income), it must be true that: Trade deficit = net inflows of capital.

So unless we reduce the amount of foreign capital flowing into the United States - the amount that foreign governments, companies and individuals are investing here — we can't reduce the trade deficit. The way that normally plays out is that if we reduce imports, that change is offset by a fall in exports. Squeezing any one piece of the trade deficit is like pushing on a balloon: It just expands someplace else. And the mechanism through which that happens is typically a stronger dollar. Text: More fundamentally, tariffs would tend to raise the foreign exchange value of the dollar, making our exporters less competitive. Why would this happen? The balance of payments always balances — the total inflow of money into America must equal the total outflow. In particular (leaving aside some technical issues involving investment income), it must be true that: Trade deficit = net inflows of capital. So unless we reduce the amount of foreign capital flowing into the United States - the amount that foreign governments, companies and individuals are investing here — we can't reduce the trade deficit. The way that normally plays out is that if we reduce imports, that change is offset by a fall in exports. Squeezing any one piece of the trade deficit is like pushing on a balloon: It just expands someplace else. And the mechanism through which that happens is typically a stronger dollar.

Much of the “foreign capital inflows” are basically vendor finance. Foreign firms sell into the US market, and get dollars in return. In accounting terms, they have “invested” in the US by holding dollars. They typically exchange those dollars for interest-earning Treasury securities and the like. 2/

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Foreign entities “disinvest” from the US when they buy US goods and services from those dollars they hold. The scale of net investment is thus a function of the trade deficit, not some independent fact.

It’s certainly true that foreign actors might also have portfolio preferences, they might affirmatively want to accumulate dollars, not only do so as a residual to unbalanced trade. But Krugman effectively assumes that’s the whole story, and the vendor finance is none of it. 3/

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I don’t know for sure whether 10%-20% across the board tariffs would reduce the US’ (multilateral) trade deficit. As an old English proverb, and I think Keynes, says, “There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip.” Interational balance of payments has lots of moving parts.

You can tell the story Krugman tells. You can argue that countervailing tariffs by foreign countries will cause US exports to fall more than imports do. 4/

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My guess is putting a pretty thick tariff barrier between the US and the world probably would bring the US trade account toward balance rather than away or do nothing.

That doesn’t mean it’s remotely a good idea or wise. It would risk the US dollar’s popularity as a reserve currency (for better or for worse), it would lead at least over a short-term to sharp rises in tradable good prices in the US, it would exacerbate trade tensions with our allies as well as our rivals. 5/

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A drug can be effective but not safe, or not worth the cost of its side effects. There are much gentler, much smarter ways to bring the US trade account towards balance, if that’s what we want to do. I favor “capital account protectionism”. interfluidity.com/v2/540.html

But I think it’s a step too far to say we know tariffs wouldn’t narrow the trade deficit. Sure, they might not. But there are perfectly credible ways they might just.

They are still not a great idea. /fin

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(sometimes i think when it’s all over, the Russians will have taken Ukraine, the Ukrainians will have taken Russia, and the border between the two will be unchanged.)

from hamiltonnolan.com/p/companies-

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In a rational world, governments would treat companies like criminals on parole. They would ankle monitor them and say, Text: In a rational world, governments would treat companies like criminals on parole. They would ankle monitor them and say, "You can only go to work and do your job, that's it. You can't fund candidates for office who will rewrite the laws in your favor. You can't run advertising campaigns to lure people into your house. Do the one thing that you do and collect your pay and shut the fuck up." That is the arrangement that we should hold in our minds as a goal. I realize that this is all rather broad, but it is useful to always remain conscious of the fact that corporate power is, at all times, trying to dominate the world, and that it is the project of democracy to stop it, and that its capture of the state should be despised and avoided everywhere it manifests itself. Workers are people. Companies aren't. Every single union contract is a small step towards keeping the world out of the hands of the evil robots.

every empire that rises will fall. but that’s little solace within a lifetime.

@cocoaphony Right. Just like cruise missiles and nukes were unforeseen and unaddressed in 2A, speech by and for vast-scale corporate entities, national/global scale broadcast networks, communications-network-effect captured by a single firm, would all have been inconceivable and unaddressed when 1A was penned. (With broadcast networks we got temporarily lucky, we could pretend we were regulating “public airwaves” rather than speech.)

@grayface_ghost I think this underestimates the degree to which US support of Israel is a demonstration to Arab security allies (whose publics support Palestinian resistance but whose leaders see in Hamas parallels with their own domestic rivals, whose help in suppressing they expect of a security vendor/partner). I don’t think it’s race or Eurochauvinism. Some of it is arms selling, but most is geopolitics. The US doesn’t want to cede its oil-rich allies to “more reliable” partners.

@cocoaphony Yes!

One way to characterize the case you are making is that anti-trust always WAS speech regulation.

Does it count as “abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press”? If you are Elon, you say preventing him from doing what he wants with his platform is that. Is preventing, or undoing, the emergence of Twitter, specifically for its effect on a “marketplace of ideas”, then “abridging” as well? 1/

@cocoaphony Whether it is or not, I’m for it. Just like I don’t think private parties have a right to keep or bear cruise missiles.

So should we interpret into freedom of speech a kind of limitation of reach, i.e. a right to speak is fully protected as long as any amplification comes from voluntary action by other speakers, but the degree a party may be capable of unilateral amplification might be regulable? /fin

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@cocoaphony but aren’t the issues with monopoly-ish speech lots different than Standard Oil? Standard Oil can raise power muscle out competitors. monopolists who control the public’s attention can sabotage the deliberation that would let the public address Standard Oil, and a whole, large, range of problems. (the analogy between speech and a consumer product of any sort seems pretty tenuous to me.)

good or bad analogy?

facebook/twitter/etc is to 18th C newspapers and pamphlets (1st Amendment) like cruise missiles are to 18th C muskets (2nd Amendment).

private monopoly: no exit, no voice.

we need fucked-checkers who check if we are well and truly fucked, and very often debunk the claim.

you’ve made it, but what have you made?

my guru Spam Risk phones occasionally. i pick up, say hello. he responds with

Silence.

always, he is teaching me.

shareholder value is everybody else’s cost.

perhaps this first-order cost is offset by innovation that serves consumers or society at large (rather than merely shareholders, as a lot of business-model, supply-chain, and legal innovation does).

but that’s an affirmative case to make, likely dependent upon institutional details. it’s not an easy case to make these past few decades.

@akkartik there’s been a lot of coconut talk lately, but we’ve forgotten it’s very best uses…

when you’re living in Camelot
it’s easy to forget
those who don’t have a lot.

“Stephen Colbert, unforgettably, labeled Republicans’ habit of uttering things that feel emotionally true, even though they are made up, as ‘truthiness.’ The Democrats had their own, photo-negative version of truthiness: utterances that are meticulously factual, but that convey an unmistakable emotional falsiness.” @Rickperlstein prospect.org/politics/2024-08- ht @ddayen

@mattlehrer “American flag ear diaper”. Sure!

Also brat. Can’t believe I omitted that.

Icons of this campaign season, so far:

1) Van Gogh fist-pump
2) Joy
3) Gus
4) Couch

@marick Thanks! Oddly, I’ve gotten very little feedback on this one. Who knew tax policy details might not be a crowd pleaser?