Steve Randy Waldman
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no. i’m trying to oppose conspiracies involving state action to transfer wealth from everyone else to the already wealthy in exchange for no public benefit. it has nothing at all to do with capitalism.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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there are forms of investing that require little involvement. they are called savings accounts, CDs, treasuries. they pay more probably than they shld. earning double digit percentages year after year stabilized by state action for no economic service is being on the “happier” side of exploitation.

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plus, the practice has destroyed capital markets as effective allocators of scarce economic resources. i get while people like them, and as i’ve emphasized don’t judge. this isn’t a matter of personal morality.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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but capital markets, like every kind of market, require careful attention to arrangements if they are going to serve socially beneficial functions rather than be vehicles of exploitation. index funds are part of how they have devolved into the latter.

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how did they get past the historic preservation board? didn’t the neighborhood association object?

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the stock market should not be for mass participation by uninformed savers. it should be open to all, of course, but most people should save in savings accounts, CDs, treasuries. 1/

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the role of the regulatory state should be to keep markets sober, ie aggregate valuations predictably within conventional ranges. that’s what distinguishes it from crypto markets, tokens untethered from any meaningful referent, a game of price alone. 2/

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stocks shouldn’t 10x until it’s very cleat earnings will, and firms should be regulated means 10x profit comes from an increase in Q produced rather than P charged. 3/

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under these conditions, stock speculating is, like the textbooks say, socially productive information work, and those who wish to contribute can and should. absent these conditions, like now, it is more like crypto, but state sponsored. /fin

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* stocks shouldn’t 10x until it’s very CLEAR earnings will, and firms should be regulated SUCH THAT 10x profit comes from an increase in Q produced rather than P charged. 3/ grrr…

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Steve Randy Waldman
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i don’t disagree. as i said, we all live in the world. the trick is avoiding the upton sinclair problem though. you should throw your money in index funds if it works for you. even while you lobby for shutting down the industry.

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(thanks!)

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the issue is fundamentally diversification. the only free lunch economists deign to recognize is not a free lunch at all from a social perspective, although it sure is from an investor perspective. it’s a transfer. 1/

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if investors hold widely divergent, not-so-diversified-to-just-be-the-market, portfolios, then the mass affluent do not mindlessly habitually throw their wealth into equities, creating a mass equivalent of Trumpcoin by which to pay them off. 2/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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noninformational, low risk savers live in Treasuries and CDs, which are harder to run patronage through. 3/

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plus, to the degree investors are in equities, if “the market” is not investable, there is less of an easy target for the state to stimulate in order to payoff equity investors. 4/

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outcomes diverge, policy that affects the market creates losers as well as winners, so it’s a noisier, less effective, circuit, political support to patronage to political support. 5/

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i don’t want to overstate this: interest rate policy can help both Coke and Pepsi stock. 6/

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but since less of the mass affluent’s public’s money would be in shares at all, and outcomes would diverge a lot more so much of the public is always on a losing side, it would be a much less tempting target to buy off the most enfranchised elements of the public. 7/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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note the distinction here is not between active and passive — as you suggest, actively managed highly diversified funds could deliver the same political economic situation, giving everyone market returns plus tiny divergences, and just skim off higher fees for their trouble. 8/

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the issue is diversified vs informationally committed investment positions. do you win no matter what — as long “the economy” as politicians and financiers define and sustain it, which isn’t how most of us experience it, goes “up”? 9/

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or do you win only if you are right about some real-economic enterprise, if you actually contribute information work to the capital allocation process in directions that have proven fruitful? /fin

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then perhaps you (not you personally, the collective similarly situated you) should be in CDs or Treasuries and be grateful that somehow you usually earn a positive real return while others do the hard work of recreating aggregate wealth every goddamn day. 1/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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your outsize equity returns for nothing are other people’s costs, one way or another. equity returns are only worth paying to people who in one form or another contribute to the wealth generation process. 2/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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i want to be very clear i’m not criticizing you or anyone personally for using index funds. if the financial-system-state-nexus creates an extraction racket, individuals may have to participate or get left behind, and we all do what we have to do live in this world. 3/

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but it wld be a better world if we hadn’t invented an escalator by which people who come into a bit of money can leave an underclass behind, contributing no discernment or discrimination, nothing at all we couldn’t otherwise more cheaply provide, just because they could and did join the racket. /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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one case against index funds is the one you are alluding to: index fundies are freeloaders. let’s flip yr question, what are the passive investors “specializing” in? what service do they provide that complements what active traders do? they reduce compensation of active traders, what do they add? 1/

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but that’s not the most serious case against index funds in my view. in increasing order of seriousness there is also the way diversified ownership changes principal and manager incentives… 2/

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and most seriously, the political economy of ubiquitous passive ownership, which turns the stock market from a sharp-incentive information processor to an instrument to be stimulated and stabilized for macro (if you want to be nice about it) or patronage (less nice) purposes. /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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yes. it’s like good schools. you can live anywhere and pay for private, or get them “free” and have the bill laundered through housing costs. it’s not exactly the same — in NYC you’re not paying for the same service, you’re paying a scarcity rent charged for not requiring it.

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we are rich in GDP but poor in fact in large part because we revised the build environment such that we all suffer a huge real liability in the form of transportation costs payable if we want to meaningfully participate in society. 1/

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and even if we pay it, we don’t enjoy the buzz of busy streets. only traffic. /fin

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OK, then.

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but someone has to manage the wealth you hope your money will eventually lay claim to.

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nope. i don’t recall the US imprisoning Tibetan Buddhist monks for posting words of the Dalai Lama. we all of us have our sins, but they are not the same sins.

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China is wonderful in many respects. It is not so wonderful in others. It is not so wonderful with respect to its view of how foreign affairs should be conducted, if judged by practice rather than words. Unfortunately neither are its rivals.

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“My kingdom is not of this world.” ~Jesus (John 18:36) ht @epicureandealmaker.bsky.social (thanks claude.ai for the research assist)

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(zohran seems like a fine example of simultaneously projecting clear values as well as a capacity to listen. is he an “ideologue”? in its bad connotations ideologue suggests dogmatism and arrogance. but people can have strong values, and still engage with others who disagree, and complex reality.)

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Steve Randy Waldman
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always worth asking of any form of “investing”, is some meaningful social contribution getting compensated at a reasonable rate, or are returns at these levels some form of extraction laundered through complicated financial and regulatory machinery? (i think index funds have been a catastrophe.)

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Steve Randy Waldman
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i think ppl “across the spectrum” are desperate for people who are ideological but not partisan. partisan is prima facie corrupt, implies looking after the interests of a particular group with particular beneficiaries. ideological means sincere and importantly predictable. you know where they stand.

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i agree. i’m angry as fuck. i think that’s fine. i try not to hate.

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i don’t know either. i’m willing to extend some benefit of the doubt, though. he’s one of very few of this famously “nonconformist” crowd to fail to conform with their herdlike nonconformism.

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