Steve Randy Waldman
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Yes. I will fully grant that Israel is not behaving in Lebanon with the full brutality of its actions in Gaza. But there's a big gap between that and "surgical".

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It's specifically Israeli an term—to which you introduced me—referring to blackpilling Palestinians in the sense of ensuring they would become to hopeless of any success to engage in violent resistance. Which, with the Dahiya doctrine, at least imparts some sense to how this war is prosecuted.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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Israel has only been striking Lebanon beyond the volleys in the South since the start of the war for about a month. I mean, yes, it's a better rate even annualized. But hardly great. By Dahiya I mean the express doctrine of punishing civilians in service of the war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_...

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Steve Randy Waldman
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Yes. Israel kills journalists. It seems to target journalists, academics, poets, etc. The US killed al-Awlaki in part for is role of propagandist. I don't mean to be to precious. But Israel doesn't get to say "we can't let you in because we'd kill you, trust us you wouldn't learn anything anyway."

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Western media have been eager to send journalists, but denied permission. (That's mad, given how wantonly Israel has treated journalists, aid workers, etc.) You+Israel's govt fear that if journalists had access they'd be snowed. Maybe. Maybe not. But you can't pretend they do have access. They don't

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Steve Randy Waldman
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There's just no defending the character of Israel's behavior in this conflict, under contemporary moral commonplaces.

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Maybe for Israel it has been strategically correct. Maybe "consciousness searing" and "Dahiya doctrine" are a path to Israel's security. But those strategies have a real cost, in terms of regard for people who understood what civilized behavior means in a way that would exclude these practices.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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There is no density of journalists in Gaza. Western journalists complain they don't have access. Gazan journalists are targeted and killed. The only information we have about Gaza is the "ministry of health" terrible tick-tock.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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Of Lancet's 600K due to violence, only about a third were attributed to direct violence from coalition. That might be an underestimate, because some are unattributed. And that was as of 2006, after three years of war.

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The Lancet studies (at least the ones I know of) are excess death studies, not directly killed studies. (God this is morbid.) Far from an apples to apples comparison. Excess deaths in Gaza will likely be far higher than the ~2% so far directly killed, if there is ever information enough to model it.

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The cost of war stat is a tally of directly killed, the closest comparable. (I hate every word of this.)

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Would Cynthia Nixon have been able to run a credible primary campaign against Cuomo without the Working Families Party?

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You'd have to use excess death calculations to justify that equivalent. Over 20 years since 2003, the direct death toll in Iraq ia about 300K from "direct war related violence caused by the U.S., its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces". watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/c... 1/

Iraqi Civilians | Costs of War

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Steve Randy Waldman
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That's a much broader tally than US troops killing Iraqis in war, spread out over a much, much longer period, and would amounts to roughly half the proportion killed computing aggressively against a 2010 Iraq population for all of them. /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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i think there's something a bit new here. the US killed people, more of them and sometimes just as wantonly, in Indochina and Korea, but the media environment was such that the US public only understood that slowly, only understood it fully long after the fact. 1/

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one can believe that is the scale and brutality of US actions had been fully public in real time, they would have been politically impossible. 2/

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during the Gulf and Middle East wars, the US was carefully attentive to perceptions of atrocity. again, of course there was atrocity anyway. there always is in war. 3/

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but the scandals of the period, perhaps paradoxically, suggest a great deal of success. the biggest scandal of the Iraq War, the one that basically ended any possibility of "success" nation-building a democratic demonstration project, was Abu Ghraib. 4/

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it was one facility, a relatively small number of perpetrators and victims, and it was a profound, earthshocking, incredible scandal that completely overthrew an epistemological deference, domestically, about how we were conducting the war and what our role was there. 5/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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perhaps I am being unfair here, but my perception is that Abu-Ghraib-level torture and mistreatment of Palestinian detainees and worse is routine conduct in some Israeli facilities, and that this is something US publics basically know and now tolerate. 6/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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(again, to distinguish, this is not waterboarding of high-level intelligence targets or the kind of ticking-time-bomb scenarios sold to the public to blur black and white views about torture. these are low-level, mass detainees.) 7/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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there have been incidents not so far from Gaza that the US perpetrated — Mosul, Raqqa. but real time information about whatever degree of atrocity occurred was largely suppressed, and even ex post, one can distinguish their characters, no population was trapped. 8/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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US publics have swallowed something quite different with Gaza and now Lebanon, a style of warfare promising to a certain degree to pay some attention to civilian life, but visibly offering a very high threshold for "proportionality", and intentionally eliminating civilian infrastructure. 9/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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We've swallowed it with little more than a shrug. Which I understand given particulars about particular political realities, domestically and diplomatically. You could say it's only happening because the stars are particularly (mis)aligned. 10/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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But it is happening. It's a kind of precedent. Hypocrisy was always at best the tribute vice pays to virtue, but I'd much rather we keep at least that tribute. A more "honest" embrace of atrocity we never completely eschewed does not strike me as a positive development going forward. /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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A scary thing abt Gaza is, when considering future contingencies or policy changes and gaming out potential abuses, we'd clip a lower tails with remarks like, "It'd be too overt, too egregious, the public simply wouldn't tolerate it." After Gaza, that kind of implausibility claim seems implausible.

Steve Randy Waldman
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That's an interesting point: Subnational legislations as "feeder leagues" for parties that compete to join the national legislature.

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@leedrutman.bsky.social's suggestion of using single-transferable-vote multiwinner districts lets the number of winners serve as an elegant filter of parties with little support in a district, although if districts are v heterogenous, you could get some small delegations from locally popular parties

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Steve Randy Waldman
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after reading Lee Drutman (and thinking about eg Israel), i think it's probably best to design a system so it gravitates to something like six parties, plus or minus.

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oh, he's here! @leedrutman.bsky.social

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(i think fusion voting would be a great reform, perhaps more plausible than others in the current US system. and i'm jealous of all those extra parties you have where you live.)

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a democracy is a China shop. a billionaire is a bull.

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“We're handing so much money over to owners of prime residential or commercial land…of oil and gas fields, intellectual property and infrastructure…there isn't enough left to create…demand for dynamic sectors of the economy.” @chrisdillow.bsky.social stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_an...

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Steve Randy Waldman
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regardless of who becomes the next President, nothing is a Federal crime unless this Supreme Court agrees that it is.

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here’s to quicksand, my friend!

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