Steve Randy Waldman
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nope. i have no cites. i just think it’s quite obviously true.

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emigration has always been a thing, but the frequency of people living an inconvenient distance from family increased dramatically over the 20th Century (for better and worse) due to economic and technological developments.

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Cars are really great for intercity travel, for getting between cities. It’s what they’ve done to cities that is terrible. A park-and-ride model where highways (among other modes) take you between cities, but you park them at the edges and ride in could be great.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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yep. it’s time to try again, change things, make new mistakes this time.

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I wasn’t accusing you of conspiracizing. I was accusing you of accusing me of conspiracizing when I was putting out a quick tweet. I was not twirling my mustache about how to defame zoom, even if i am very tech-co (not tech) skeptical.

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We might have continued to a counterfactual built environment of suburbanization without cars! But then it would have been relatively dense “transit oriented development”, because those carless commuters would generally want to be in walking distance of the train and commercial amenities. 1/

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Would that kind if suburbanization have been better or worse than no suburbanization? I don’t know. It sounds less horrible, though it would still impose a commute cost, people do enjoy aspects of suburbanization too. 2/

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I think what we can say is that the car-centric suburbanization we evolved into has proven very costly, because it imposes a high transportation debt not just to get to work but for commerce and social participation. We don’t know the counterfactuals, but lots of us would try a different path! /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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there sure isn’t! but conventionally we most frequently use GDP per capita, and this kind of remedial GDP growth is one of many reasons we should be skeptical of that convention.

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sure. defense rationales were part of those choices. as was active lobbying by auto, oil, entrepreneurs in an housing development industry. as was consumer choice. lots of reasons we collectively did the thing. we’ve enough experience now i think to regret the mistake. wasn’t obvious ex ante though.

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Steve Randy Waldman
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because it was an accurate and really easy example to fit in a tweet? it popped into my head in short sentences? i don’t know how much conspiracizing you do before you post a 300 character masterpiece.

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when i’m making an argument, don’t call it a value judgement. the argument is things we score as growth are remedies to problems prior growth created, not actually improvements in welfare relative to the prior baseline. 1/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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whether having to pay that cost is “worth it” is a value judgement. whether new growth patterns entail costs as well as benefits, and overcoming those costs requires new economic activity is a factual and i think pretty inarguable claim, not a value judgement. /fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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my friend, what do you think i do? i’ve devoted my life to tech. i run my own jitsi server, thanks, and don’t have anything particularly against zoom. it’s had its let’s-do-evil moments, but it’s decent relative to a pretty bad baseline, microsoft, google, etc. 1/

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the only difference between the zoom example and the commute example is that you think (and i agree!) the costs zoom helps remedy were probably worth incurring, freedom to live anywhere breaks important connections but it’s better we have it than if we didn’t, 2/

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while you think (and i also agree!) that the choices we’ve made with respect to a sprawled built environment within a particular region are not worth its costs and we ought not to have incurred them in the first place, we should have used land-usw regulation to prevent costly suburbanization. 3/

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but in both cases, whether worth it or not, choices we collectively made in the name of “growth”, “dynamism”, or “development” entailed new costs, so developments we pretended were new, even more, growth were actually just remedies, ways to get back what became harder because of past “triumphs”./fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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this is a long arc story. i’m not talking about last week. i’m not talking solely about long-distance dispersion. much of what we count as growth is not improvement in welfare terms, but remedy for the costs of the changes incurred by what we last scored as growth. 1/

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Steve Randy Waldman
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for example, the cars we buy and gas we spend on commutes is counted as GDP. but if cars were rare, our built environment would place residences near or transit accessible to workplaces. commutes are a remedy to the problems created by how we chose to grow, not actual additions to human welfare./fin

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Steve Randy Waldman
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dude, i have always lived far from my family and remember well trying to game international phone services. don’t make assumptions. zoom is progress, given the distance. the point is the distance itself is a result of economic change. it’s progress against a baseline of new costs. it’s remedy.

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you’d think a kind of darwinism would have selected against groups with worldviews so inefficient in practical terms. but maybe the social order associated with such worldviews more than compensated.

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(there are definitely rationales for credit card fees. the question is whether the rationales justify the price. given the regressive rebate economy that has grown on top of the industry, i’d say the answer there is pretty clearly no. when you’re giving away toasters, a rigid price is out of whack.)

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i think they are, at baseline, substantially cheaper, although as @nosunkcosts.bsky.social points out people have snuck in wrinkles and loopholes to pad things with fees under some circumstances.

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the MAGA Civil War is when Georgia secedes from Massachusetts.

Steve Randy Waldman
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so when is it sub 50 bps, vs when does this loophole apply to feed vampires?

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yeah. i think to be cheap it’d have to go through the chip+PIN flow, rather than the signature flow. but it seems like a thing merchants and customers could learn!

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i’m glad more places are offering cash discounts, to help expose and wean us from the credit card fee racket, but i wish they’d also offer debit card discounts, inexpensive without the inconvenience of carrying cash.