i'm not advocating the inevitable suffering that will come from misgovernment. i'm saying its better that it come with some immediacy and direct connection than that it come through subtle, indirect, deniable means. 1/

to say that it's better we have nerves that discomfort us when we touch a burning stove than that we not and only discover the issue through the smell of cooked meat is not "supporting suffering and death as a form of punishment for antisocial behavior". 2/

if your statement means to be descriptive, it misses the mark, alas. 3/

collective punishment is bad policy. but bad consequences that the general public (or an individual human) can observe and connect to their causes are more desirable than bad consequences whose causes will remain mysterious to them. 4/

In the latter case, a thousand no doubt tendentious theories will emerge to obscure (perhaps from all of us, not just some condescending "them") any accurate, actionable understanding of causes and remedies. /fin