@joe@beige.party @admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org It’s USCIS’ job to perform due diligence, to catch material misstatements before granting citizenship. If you try to lie your way to an immigrant visa to Canada, they should check your claims and summarily reject you.
In my view, once a person is a citizen of a country, that should be a rock, a foundation. Citizens can be held accountable, punished for their crimes. But a person’s citizenship is like a person’s humanity, should never be at issue.
@joe@beige.party @admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org I’d like to see Musk punished for a bunch of crimes. He should go to jail for flagrantly violating election and lottery laws, for example. Perjury is a crime, and we can attach as steep a penalty as we wish to perjury for the purpose if obtaining citizenship. There’s no need for denaturalization as a remedy, and its existence renders a foundational aspect of people’s lives uncertain, reversible, and privileges natural-born over naturalized citizens.
@joe@beige.party @admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org I do want the law changed so that denaturalization is not a thing! What did I say happened that did not happen? Between 2008 and 2021, there were 228 denaturalization cases. 40% of those were 2017 to 2020, due to the Trump administration. Even with that acceleration, it averages less than 18 cases a year, out of 7-ish hundred thousand naturalized in an average year. It is a very rare event. https://www.aila.org/library/featured-issue-denaturalization-efforts-by-uscis
@joe@beige.party @admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org No it is not. People can be prosecuted for perjury. The logic of this thread is that citizenship is foundational, that denaturalization is not an appropriate form of accountability, for anyone. You can put people in jail with their citizenship intact if that is what accountability demands.
@joe@beige.party @admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org It’s not the norm. It is extraordinarily rare.
doing bad things may not be the best strategy to restore our innocence.
@kentwillard I sure try not to. Usually if I tweet anything other than the links I syndicate, it’s criticism of the site’s dear leader and of people who remain. I do reply to people who contact me, but do my best to move it elsewhere.
@carrideen (looks good!)
i feel like spam from 1997 is calling.
is FileMaker Pro still in widespread use?
Screenshot of e-mail offering “FileMaker Pro Advanced client list.”
@joe@beige.party @louis It is not common, at least not in the United States. It does exist. It should not. It is liable to tremendous abuse, like back in the day when you’d get sick and your insurance company would scour your application for any arguable misstatement to justify rescission and nonpayment.
@louis @joe@beige.party (i was subtooting people i’d seen calling for Elon’s denaturalization. it is a thing. Stephen Miller is rally excited about ramping it up. i think it ought not be a thing, ever, for American citizens, naturalized or natural born.)
@louis Yes. Absolutely.
@joe@beige.party I’m sure other states would, if he travels with his wealth. I suspect Elon has other passports already. Elon is unlikely to be denaturalized. Assent to the practice, though, and it’ll be the most powerless of migrants suddenly stripped of their citizenship.
@joe@beige.party Yup. There might be criminal or other penalties for lying. You can put people in jail. But you don’t strip people of their citizenship, potentially rendering them stateless, ever.
Denaturalization should simply not be a thing, for Elon or for anybody. The state gets its opportunity for due diligence up front. Once a person is an American they are an American.
@rebeccablood @artlung makes it even worse.
i don’t even know how you would pin any of those people to a gar.
photograph of a gar (the fish) swimming under water. taken from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar
we encounter ghosts constantly. the ghosts we encounter most often are ghosts of our former selves. boo! it says. look what you have done with us, you shithead.
deregulation + financialization = lobotomization + predation
no one’s been working on the railroad edition, by #PhillipLongman ht @drvolts
use of GDP as welfare measure was always based on qualitative correlations. GDP’s (well GNP’s) inventor said it should not be so used, but seemed to work pretty well. 1/
however, that is changing, because of increasing market power in especially the US economy, and relatedly due to the difference between cost-based and market-based pricing in GDP for govt purchased vs privately purchased goods and services. 2/
under consolidated markets, GDP comes to include rents captured by monopolists. rent extraction reduces welfare but scores as higher GDP. 3/
relatedly, the cost paid for government purchased healthcare in social democracies is much, much lower than the “market prices” of healthcare in the US. quality and outcomes are not broadly higher. 4/
so, US health pathology increases US GDP, while failing to represent an increase (arguably representing a major loss) of real welfare in the United States. /fin
