@Phil @adamgurri No one accepts or applauds a complete lack of personal virtue. But it’s pretty dumb to build a system that depends upon its omnipresence. I know that’s not what you are advocating. You know I am not advocating discounting personal virtue, we should all strive for it individually and among those we support in positions of respect or authority. But that doesn’t get us out of the work of building systems either resilient to its absence or ensuring of its presence.

@Phil @adamgurri I have rarely felt abused by the government but feel constantly at the mercy of private monopoly and power. Our feelings and personal experiences of these things won’t take us very far. The danger I experience is the danger of the society we have actually become, the one that elevated people you support to power, to do awful things you support and I do not. It is unsurprising we don’t find common ground, because things you think good I think quite evil, and I’m sure vice versa.