@mister914 will there be sad cases where nice well-meaning people go to jail for what their kid did? yes, just like nice well-meaning people go to jail for drunk driving. like with drunk driving, you have to balance the harm of punishment against the harms that result from failing to deter. in both cases, i think the harms that result from failing to deter overwhelm the harm of punishing people who have in fact done something wrong but still intended and meant no harm. /fin