@LouisIngenthron We might disagree about the substance of the ideas, but for example ideas I think are bad like strong forms of classical economic liberalism (that a minimal state yields the best economic outcomes) and ethnonationalism (that the best states are largely exclusive and homogenous territories of an extended kinship group) seem very old and openly debated in every marketplace. rather than fall apart, they maintain a share whose fluctuations seem more sociological than intellectual.